• IOSynchronet

    From The Millionaire@VERT to Digital Man on Tuesday, October 06, 2020 19:30:52
    If IOS/iPad was like the Microsoft Surface Pro tablet, then would there be a version of Synchronet for it too? That would be so cool if that ever happened.

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  • From Mortifis@VERT/EPHRAM to The Millionaire on Wednesday, October 07, 2020 00:29:15
    If IOS/iPad was like the Microsoft Surface Pro tablet, then would there be a version of Synchronet for it too? That would be so cool if that ever happened.

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    I suppose if you're bored and have some time and a few $$ and want to set up a Synchronet BBS System on your i<device> you could check this out: https://www.windowslatest.com/2020/02/22/iphone-ipad-windows-10/

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  • From Gamgee@VERT to The Millionaire on Wednesday, October 07, 2020 06:39:00
    The Millionaire wrote to Digital Man <=-

    If IOS/iPad was like the Microsoft Surface Pro tablet, then would
    there be a version of Synchronet for it too? That would be so
    cool if that ever happened.

    A perfect example of the crappy questions that you always ask, and
    have been asked (nicely) numerous times, by numerous people, to
    improve on.

    What does it even mean? If IOS/iPad was "like" MSP...? They're
    two completely different things. What in the f**k do you mean by
    that?

    Do you understand what I'm asking you? How could the two things
    be considered similar ("like")?



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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Wednesday, October 07, 2020 12:03:01
    Re: IOSynchronet
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Tue Oct 06 2020 08:30 pm

    If IOS/iPad was like the Microsoft Surface Pro tablet, then would there be a version of Synchronet for it too? That would be so cool if that ever happened.

    Well, a key difference is that the Surface Pro uses an Intel processor and basically runs the desktop version of Windows 10. iPads use an Apple-produced ARM-based processor and run the iPad OS. And there wouldn't be a specific version of Synchronet for the Surface Pro - It would be the same version of Synchronet everyone else is using.

    Apple plans to migrate their Macs from Intel to their own ARM-based CPUs too, so you won't be able to install Windows natively on a Mac anymore.

    If you jailbreak an iPad, you should be able to get SSH access to a command prompt on it, and I suspect there may be a way to build & run Synchronet on it.

    Nightfox

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Nightfox on Wednesday, October 07, 2020 19:52:01
    Re: IOSynchronet
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Tue Oct 06 2020 08:30 pm

    Well, a key difference is that the Surface Pro uses an Intel processor and basically runs the desktop version of Windows 10. iPads use an Apple-produced ARM-based processor and run the iPad OS. And there wouldn't be a specific version of Synchronet for the Surface Pro - It would be the same version of Synchronet everyone else is using.

    Apple plans to migrate their Macs from Intel to their own ARM-based CPUs too, so you won't be able to install Windows natively on a Mac anymore.

    If you jailbreak an iPad, you should be able to get SSH access to a command prompt on it, and I suspect there may be a way to build & run Synchronet on it.

    Nightfox

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    I guess people are gonna buy my PCs then.

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Nightfox on Wednesday, October 07, 2020 19:52:28
    More*

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to The Millionaire on Thursday, October 08, 2020 22:44:00
    I guess people are gonna buy my PCs then.

    I'd go offline forever first.

    Daryl

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Daryl Stout on Friday, October 09, 2020 07:20:02
    I'd go offline forever first.

    Daryl

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    You can always start now. Why wait?

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Nightfox on Saturday, October 10, 2020 14:08:05
    On 10/7/2020 1:03 PM, Nightfox wrote:
    If you jailbreak an iPad, you should be able to get SSH access to a command prompt on it, and I suspect there may be a way to build & run Synchronet on it.

    Even if you managed to get it jailbroken, then build and install a
    synchronet target for iOS, and from there get it running (let alone at startup, automatically), the system would suspend the process regularly preventing it from being useful, and if that were overcome it would kill
    the battery life of the devoce...

    And if you're going to plug it any anyway, just buy a fucking raspberry
    pi kit and use that instead.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Tracker1 on Saturday, October 10, 2020 17:14:04
    Re: Re: IOSynchronet
    By: Tracker1 to Nightfox on Sat Oct 10 2020 03:08 pm

    Even if you managed to get it jailbroken, then build and install a synchronet target for iOS, and from there get it running (let alone at startup, automatically), the system would suspend the process regularly preventing it from being useful, and if that were overcome it would kill the battery life of the devoce...

    Why would it get suspended? And as far as battery life, I'd just leave it plugged in all the time. If you're running a BBS on a device 24/7, you shouldn't really be carrying that device around with you.

    And if you're going to plug it any anyway, just buy a fucking raspberry pi kit and use that instead.

    I'd agree.

    Nightfox

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Nightfox on Saturday, October 10, 2020 21:16:51
    On 10/10/2020 6:14 PM, Nightfox wrote:
    Re: Re: IOSynchronet
    By: Tracker1 to Nightfox on Sat Oct 10 2020 03:08 pm

    Tr> Even if you managed to get it jailbroken, then build and install a
    Tr> synchronet target for iOS, and from there get it running (let alone at
    Tr> startup, automatically), the system would suspend the process regularly
    Tr> preventing it from being useful, and if that were overcome it would kill
    Tr> the battery life of the devoce...

    Why would it get suspended? And as far as battery life, I'd just leave it plugged in all the time. If you're running a BBS on a device 24/7, you shouldn't really be carrying that device around with you.

    Because iOS suspends background programs as regular course, they have different APIs for registering/handling message notifications.



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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Tracker1 on Saturday, October 10, 2020 22:53:32
    Re: Re: IOSynchronet
    By: Tracker1 to Nightfox on Sat Oct 10 2020 10:16 pm

    Why would it get suspended? And as far as battery life, I'd just

    Because iOS suspends background programs as regular course, they have different APIs for registering/handling message notifications.

    Would that apply to programs running on the command line? I'm wondering if that only applies to iOS mobile GUI apps. If you're at the command line, I'd expect it to be a regular *NIX environment, and if you were to run Synchronet (especially as a service or something), I wonder if it would run similarly to a command-line app on mac OS X or like on any other *nix system.

    Nightfox

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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Tracker1 on Sunday, October 11, 2020 19:48:00
    On 10-10-20 15:08, Tracker1 wrote to Nightfox <=-

    And if you're going to plug it any anyway, just buy a fucking raspberry
    pi kit and use that instead.

    Yep, that would be the more practical path. The Pi is ideal for running a BBS (as long as you're not planning on running DOS doors).


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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Nightfox on Sunday, October 11, 2020 11:41:30
    On 10/10/2020 11:53 PM, Nightfox wrote:
    Re: Re: IOSynchronet
    By: Tracker1 to Nightfox on Sat Oct 10 2020 10:16 pm

    >> Why would it get suspended? And as far as battery life, I'd just

    Tr> Because iOS suspends background programs as regular course, they have
    Tr> different APIs for registering/handling message notifications.

    Would that apply to programs running on the command line? I'm wondering if that only applies to iOS mobile GUI apps. If you're at the command line, I'd expect it to be a regular *NIX environment, and if you were to run Synchronet (especially as a service or something), I wonder if it would run similarly to a command-line app on mac OS X or like on any other *nix system.

    I don't know iOS well enough to even speculate tbh... I still think it's
    a bad idea all around... an rPI in a tablet case with a touch display,
    maybe.. an actual tablet with a tablet environment, not so much.

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Tony Langdon on Sunday, October 11, 2020 11:42:29
    On 10/11/2020 2:48 AM, Tony Langdon wrote:
    And if you're going to plug it any anyway, just buy a fucking raspberry
    pi kit and use that instead.

    Yep, that would be the more practical path. The Pi is ideal for running a BBS
    (as long as you're not planning on running DOS doors).

    With a couple setups like DoorParty, I'm not sure that's as big of a
    concern, or should be.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Tracker1 on Sunday, October 11, 2020 12:02:52
    Re: Re: IOSynchronet
    By: Tracker1 to Tony Langdon on Sun Oct 11 2020 12:42 pm

    Yep, that would be the more practical path. The Pi is ideal for
    running a BBS (as long as you're not planning on running DOS doors).

    With a couple setups like DoorParty, I'm not sure that's as big of a concern, or should be.

    I still like having some doors set up locally on my BBS. I'd feel like my BBS is less complete without some doors set up.. I think DoorParty is a cool idea, but you're reliant on that service being available, and if it goes down, you've lost some doors.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Tracker1 on Sunday, October 11, 2020 15:11:15
    Re: Re: IOSynchronet
    By: Tracker1 to Tony Langdon on Sun Oct 11 2020 12:42 pm

    On 10/11/2020 2:48 AM, Tony Langdon wrote:
    And if you're going to plug it any anyway, just buy a fucking
    raspberry pi kit and use that instead.

    Yep, that would be the more practical path. The Pi is ideal for
    running a BBS
    (as long as you're not planning on running DOS doors).

    With a couple setups like DoorParty, I'm not sure that's as big of a concern, or should be.

    yeah but have you tried those doorgame servers? when i do it's really not impressive.
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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Nightfox on Sunday, October 11, 2020 16:50:00
    Nightfox wrote to Tracker1 <=-

    Yep, that would be the more practical path. The Pi is ideal for
    running a BBS (as long as you're not planning on running DOS doors).

    With a couple setups like DoorParty, I'm not sure that's as big of a concern, or should be.

    I still like having some doors set up locally on my BBS. I'd
    feel like my BBS is less complete without some doors set up.. I
    think DoorParty is a cool idea, but you're reliant on that
    service being available, and if it goes down, you've lost some
    doors.

    Agreed. I like to have some local doors, and I do use the BBSLink
    door server also. Both have their uses, and as you said, if the
    remote server goes down (which they do), you still have some doors
    available.



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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to MRO on Sunday, October 11, 2020 16:51:00
    MRO wrote to Tracker1 <=-

    Yep, that would be the more practical path. The Pi is ideal for
    running a BBS
    (as long as you're not planning on running DOS doors).

    With a couple setups like DoorParty, I'm not sure that's as big of a concern, or should be.

    yeah but have you tried those doorgame servers? when i do it's
    really not impressive.

    I haven't tried DoorParty, but I do have BBSLink set up, and I
    think it's quite impressive. Works great.



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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Tracker1 on Monday, October 12, 2020 18:38:00
    On 10-11-20 12:42, Tracker1 wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    With a couple setups like DoorParty, I'm not sure that's as big of a concern, or should be.

    True, and DoorParty, etc, also offer other advantages, like concentrating the gameplay from several systems into the one set of games, which would make them more interesting for users.


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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to Tony Langdon on Monday, October 12, 2020 07:17:59
    Re: Re: IOSynchronet
    By: Tony Langdon to Tracker1 on Mon Oct 12 2020 07:38 pm

    True, and DoorParty, etc, also offer other advantages, like concentrating the gameplay from several systems into the one set of games, which would make them more interesting for users.

    Without players there are no "multiplayer" games. I feel there are too many BBSes with Door games so the "players" are spread to thin. Here's my solution. GLOBAL WAR players play on BBSLINK. ;-)

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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to Tony Langdon on Monday, October 12, 2020 08:19:13
    Re: Re: IOSynchronet
    By: Tony Langdon to Tracker1 on Mon Oct 12 2020 07:38 pm

    True, and DoorParty, etc, also offer other advantages, like concentrating the gameplay from several systems into the one set of games, which would make them more interesting for users.

    Without players there are no "multiplayer" games. I feel there are too many BBSes with Door games so the "players" are spread too thin. Here's my solution. GLOBAL WAR players play on BBSLINK. ;-)

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Tony Langdon on Monday, October 12, 2020 05:37:00
    Tony Langdon wrote to Tracker1 <=-

    True, and DoorParty, etc, also offer other advantages, like
    concentrating the gameplay from several systems into the one set of
    games, which would make them more interesting for users.

    Yeah, locally installed games can be a ghost-town. My Global War
    instance is still there out of a sense of nostalgia when I had
    several games going on at once, but I haven't seen a player there in
    years.



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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Nightfox on Monday, October 12, 2020 14:30:59
    On 10/11/2020 1:02 PM, Nightfox wrote:
    Yep, that would be the more practical path. The Pi is ideal for
    running a BBS (as long as you're not planning on running DOS doors).

    With a couple setups like DoorParty, I'm not sure that's as big of a
    concern, or should be.

    I still like having some doors set up locally on my BBS. I'd feel like my BBS is less complete without some doors set up.. I think DoorParty is a cool idea, but you're reliant on that service being available, and if it goes down, you've lost some doors.

    That's fair, and soem things you can do in Linux on an RPi, you could
    use qemu for your DOS doors (but only one user at a time in any given
    door), or you could run doors that are cross platform/environment or are
    JS doors (in terms of sync).

    The point was that an RPi is still an option, just depends on one's focus.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Tony Langdon on Monday, October 12, 2020 17:17:51
    Re: Re: IOSynchronet
    By: Tony Langdon to Tracker1 on Mon Oct 12 2020 07:38 pm

    On 10-11-20 12:42, Tracker1 wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    With a couple setups like DoorParty, I'm not sure that's as big of a
    concern, or should be.

    True, and DoorParty, etc, also offer other advantages, like concentrating the gameplay from several systems into the one set of games, which would make them more interesting for users.

    in theory it may do that, but does it actually do that?

    with users i see them gravitate to ONE system to play globalwar with others. they get a place and stick with it.
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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to HusTler on Tuesday, October 13, 2020 18:15:00
    On 10-12-20 08:17, HusTler wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Without players there are no "multiplayer" games. I feel there are
    too many BBSes with Door games so the "players" are spread to thin.
    Here's my solution. GLOBAL WAR players play on BBSLINK. ;-)

    Yes, that's the point I was trying to make, the game servers help bring players together from multiple BBSs.

    ;)
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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to poindexter FORTRAN on Tuesday, October 13, 2020 18:19:00
    On 10-12-20 06:37, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Yeah, locally installed games can be a ghost-town. My Global War
    instance is still there out of a sense of nostalgia when I had
    several games going on at once, but I haven't seen a player there in
    years.

    I can understand. Reminds me, I should setup BBSLink again, I lost the config when the BBS died a few years ago and never put it back. :(

    And should also setup DoorParty.


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  • From BlaZ@VERT/PNLTYBOX to Tony Langdon on Tuesday, October 13, 2020 13:52:52
    Re: Re: IOSynchronet
    By: Tony Langdon to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Oct 13 2020 07:19 pm

    I can understand. Reminds me, I should setup BBSLink again, I lost the config when the BBS died a few years ago and never put it back. :(

    And should also setup DoorParty.

    Both are super easy to setup! Especially Door Party, thanks to echicken's awesome script.

    BlaZ

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to The Millionaire on Tuesday, October 13, 2020 16:33:00
    I'd go offline forever first.

    You can always start now. Why wait?

    You first...that would make the rest of the folks in this echo
    very happy.

    Daryl

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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to BlaZ on Thursday, October 15, 2020 17:30:00
    On 10-13-20 14:52, BlaZ wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Re: Re: IOSynchronet
    By: Tony Langdon to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Oct 13 2020 07:19 pm

    I can understand. Reminds me, I should setup BBSLink again, I lost the config when the BBS died a few years ago and never put it back. :(

    And should also setup DoorParty.

    Both are super easy to setup! Especially Door Party, thanks to
    echicken's awesome script.

    Yeah, I remember BBSLink was dead easy, it's just one of those "When I get around to it" things.


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