Hello all,

Not sure if this is enough information to get some direction on my Fido setup issue i am having. This is what I see when I try to send areafix netmail.

BINKOUT Running native timed event: BINKOUT
10/3 20:30:50 evnt BINKOUT BinkIT/2.41 invoked with options:
10/3 20:30:50 evnt BINKOUT Attempting callout for 1:3634/59@fidonet, file: /home/pi/sbbs/fido/outbound/0e32003b.out
10/3 20:30:50 evnt BINKOUT JSBinkP/4 callout to 1:3634/59@fidonet started
10/3 20:30:50 evnt BINKOUT Connecting to 1:3634/59@fidonet at f59.n3634.z1.binkp.net:24554
10/3 20:30:50 evnt BINKOUT Connection to f59.n3634.z1.binkp.net:24554 failed (Error: Name or service not known).
10/3 20:30:50 evnt BINKOUT Timed event: BINKOUT returned 0

I can't seem to find what I have configured wrong. Thanks in advance for any direction. Xofraq

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Re: Help with FidoNet setup
By: Xofraq to All on Thu Oct 03 2024 08:44 pm

Hello all,

Not sure if this is enough information to get some direction on my Fido setup issue i am having. This is what I see when I try to send areafix netmail.

BINKOUT Running native timed event: BINKOUT
10/3 20:30:50 evnt BINKOUT BinkIT/2.41 invoked with options:
10/3 20:30:50 evnt BINKOUT Attempting callout for 1:3634/59@fidonet, file: /home/pi/sbbs/fido/outbound/0e32003b.out
10/3 20:30:50 evnt BINKOUT JSBinkP/4 callout to 1:3634/59@fidonet started 10/3 20:30:50 evnt BINKOUT Connecting to 1:3634/59@fidonet at f59.n3634.z1.binkp.net:24554
10/3 20:30:50 evnt BINKOUT Connection to f59.n3634.z1.binkp.net:24554 failed (Error: Name or service not known).
10/3 20:30:50 evnt BINKOUT Timed event: BINKOUT returned 0

I can't seem to find what I have configured wrong. Thanks in advance for any direction. Xofraq

That hostname seems to resolve for me:
$ host f59.n3634.z1.binkp.net
f59.n3634.z1.binkp.net is an alias for microbur.synchro.net. microbur.synchro.net has address 108.233.175.10

But... it's resolving to *your* BBS? You're trying to send an areafix netmail to yourself?
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Hello Xofraq!

03 Oct 24 20:44, you wrote to all:

BINKOUT Running native timed event: BINKOUT
10/3 20:30:50 evnt BINKOUT BinkIT/2.41 invoked with options:
10/3 20:30:50 evnt BINKOUT Attempting callout for 1:3634/59@fidonet,
file: /home/pi/sbbs/fido/outbound/0e32003b.out 10/3 20:30:50 evnt
BINKOUT JSBinkP/4 callout to 1:3634/59@fidonet started 10/3 20:30:50
evnt BINKOUT Connecting to 1:3634/59@fidonet at f59.n3634.z1.binkp.net:24554 10/3 20:30:50 evnt BINKOUT Connection to f59.n3634.z1.binkp.net:24554 failed (Error: Name or service not
known). 10/3 20:30:50 evnt BINKOUT Timed event: BINKOUT returned 0

tried it

Parsing nodelist file /var/spool/ftn/nodelist/NODELIST.277
Nodelist for Thursday, October 3, 2024 -- Day number 277 parsed, 945 IP-nodes pr ocessed (0.012 sec)
Calling '1:3634/59'. Call time: '0000-2400' UTC.
Now is: 0931 UTC.
microbur.synchro.net, 24554
Calling 1:3634/59 (108.233.175.10:24554)
OPT CRAM-MD5-176a8ea27fe0739462cabd35d24e8929
SYS MicroBurst II BBS
ZYZ stacy caudle
LOC Gastonia, NC
NDL 115200,TCP,BINKP
TIME Fri Oct 04 2024 05:31:42 GMT-0400 (EDT)
VER BinkIT/2.41,JSBinkP/4,sbbs3.20a/Linux binkp/1.1
address: 1:3634/59@fidonet
address: 1337:3/202@tqwnet
address: 954:895/73@hobbynet
108.233.175.10 - Ok.
Session with 1:3634/59 done.

the only thing I can think of is that the binkp.net domain is causing you troubles.



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Xofraq wrote to All <=-

Not sure if this is enough information to get some direction on my Fido setup issue i am having. This is what I see when I try to send areafix netmail.

BINKOUT Running native timed event: BINKOUT
10/3 20:30:50 evnt BINKOUT BinkIT/2.41 invoked with options:
10/3 20:30:50 evnt BINKOUT Attempting callout for 1:3634/59@fidonet,
file: /home/pi/sbbs/fido/outbound/0e32003b.out 10/3 20:30:50 evnt
BINKOUT JSBinkP/4 callout to 1:3634/59@fidonet started 10/3 20:30:50
evnt BINKOUT Connecting to 1:3634/59@fidonet at f59.n3634.z1.binkp.net:24554 10/3 20:30:50 evnt BINKOUT Connection to f59.n3634.z1.binkp.net:24554 failed (Error: Name or service not known). 10/3 20:30:50 evnt BINKOUT Timed event: BINKOUT returned 0

I can't seem to find what I have configured wrong. Thanks in advance
for any direction. Xofraq

There have been issues lately with the binkp.net resolving fidonet-style addresses to an IP address.

You can avoid that by defining the location of a nodelist file on your
BBS machine, in the [domain] section for Fidonet, in your sbbsecho.ini
file.

It's documented here: https://wiki.synchro.net/config:sbbsecho.ini#domain_sections

That way, the calling system can just use the normal domain name for the called system as defined by the "INA:" part of the nodelist entry.



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Digital Man wrote to Xofraq <=-

BINKOUT Running native timed event: BINKOUT
10/3 20:30:50 evnt BINKOUT BinkIT/2.41 invoked with options:
10/3 20:30:50 evnt BINKOUT Attempting callout for 1:3634/59@fidonet, file: /home/pi/sbbs/fido/outbound/0e32003b.out
10/3 20:30:50 evnt BINKOUT JSBinkP/4 callout to 1:3634/59@fidonet started 10/3 20:30:50 evnt BINKOUT Connecting to 1:3634/59@fidonet at f59.n3634.z1.binkp.net:24554
10/3 20:30:50 evnt BINKOUT Connection to f59.n3634.z1.binkp.net:24554 failed (Error: Name or service not known).
10/3 20:30:50 evnt BINKOUT Timed event: BINKOUT returned 0

I can't seem to find what I have configured wrong. Thanks in advance for any direction. Xofraq

That hostname seems to resolve for me:
$ host f59.n3634.z1.binkp.net
f59.n3634.z1.binkp.net is an alias for microbur.synchro.net. microbur.synchro.net has address 108.233.175.10

But... it's resolving to *your* BBS? You're trying to send an areafix netmail to yourself?

I think he mentioned a little while back that he was trying to set up a
point off of his main system.



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Re: Help with FidoNet setup
By: Dennis Slagers to Xofraq on Fri Oct 04 2024 11:32 am

the only thing I can think of is that the binkp.net domain is causing you troubles.

I made some changes and now getting this:

10/4 07:54:03 evnt BBS Events Semaphore signaled for Timed Event: BINKOUT
10/4 07:54:03 evnt BINKOUT Running native timed event: BINKOUT
10/4 07:54:03 evnt BINKOUT BinkIT/2.41 invoked with options:
10/4 07:54:03 evnt BINKOUT Attempting callout for 1:3634/12@fidonet, file: /home/pi/sbbs/fido/outbound/0e32000c.out
10/4 07:54:03 evnt BINKOUT JSBinkP/4 callout to 1:3634/12@fidonet started
10/4 07:54:03 evnt BINKOUT Connecting to 1:3634/12@fidonet at fido-z1.darkrealms.ca:24554
10/4 07:54:03 evnt BINKOUT Authentication successful: non-secure
10/4 07:54:03 evnt BINKOUT Timed event: BINKOUT returned 0

Looks promising, but lets if I get a reply. TY!

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Re: Help with FidoNet setup
By: Digital Man to Xofraq on Thu Oct 03 2024 09:32 pm

But... it's resolving to *your* BBS? You're trying to send an areafix netmail to yourself?

Sounds like someting I would do! (-:

I made some changes and now I get this:

10/4 07:54:03 evnt BBS Events Semaphore signaled for Timed Event: BINKOUT
10/4 07:54:03 evnt BINKOUT Running native timed event: BINKOUT
10/4 07:54:03 evnt BINKOUT BinkIT/2.41 invoked with options:
10/4 07:54:03 evnt BINKOUT Attempting callout for 1:3634/12@fidonet, file: /home/pi/sbbs/fido/outbound/0e32000c.out
10/4 07:54:03 evnt BINKOUT JSBinkP/4 callout to 1:3634/12@fidonet started
10/4 07:54:03 evnt BINKOUT Connecting to 1:3634/12@fidonet at fido-z1.darkrealms.ca:24554
10/4 07:54:03 evnt BINKOUT Authentication successful: non-secure
10/4 07:54:03 evnt BINKOUT Timed event: BINKOUT returned 0

I will wait for a reply. Thanks!

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Re: Re: Help with FidoNet setup
By: Gamgee to Xofraq on Fri Oct 04 2024 07:39 am

You can avoid that by defining the location of a nodelist file on your
BBS machine, in the [domain] section for Fidonet, in your sbbsecho.ini
file.

I did update to point to the nodelist file. I am not getting the error any more, but I never get a response.

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Xofraq wrote to Gamgee <=-

Re: Re: Help with FidoNet setup
By: Gamgee to Xofraq on Fri Oct 04 2024 07:39 am

You can avoid that by defining the location of a nodelist file on your
BBS machine, in the [domain] section for Fidonet, in your sbbsecho.ini
file.

I did update to point to the nodelist file. I am not getting the error
any more, but I never get a response.

Well, the answer to that probably lies in your log(s). On my system,
which may not be configured the same as yours, it's in 'sbbs.log'. It
is VERY likely to be a password mismatch between you and your FidoNet
hub. Check the log and see what it says when you try to send the
Areafix netmail. If it is indeed a password issue you'll have to work
that out with your uplink (hub).



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I did update to point to the nodelist file. I am not getting the error any more, but I never get a response.

The binkit log info you posted didn't show any mail coming into, or
leaving, your system.

Now that you have binkit sorted you may need to send the message(s) again.


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Re: Re: Help with FidoNet setup
By: Gamgee to Xofraq on Fri Oct 04 2024 07:07 pm

Well, the answer to that probably lies in your log(s). On my system, which may not be configured the same as yours, it's in 'sbbs.log'. It is VERY likely to be a password mismatch between you and your FidoNet hub.

Will check it out! Thanks for the input.

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Re: Re: Help with FidoNet setup
By: Gamgee to Xofraq on Fri Oct 04 2024 07:07 pm

which may not be configured the same as yours, it's in 'sbbs.log'. It is VERY likely to be a password mismatch between you and your FidoNet hub. Check the log and see what it says when you try to send the Areafix netmail. If it is indeed a password issue you'll have to work that out with your uplink (hub).

I have been working with my uplink, and still having the issues. My passwords are correct but seems that my NetMail is not being packed and is being sent out as .out files?

I have been over my setup 100 times, hope to figure it out soon. I need to step away from it for a few hours (days), lol.

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Xofraq wrote to Gamgee <=-

Re: Re: Help with FidoNet setup
By: Gamgee to Xofraq on Fri Oct 04 2024 07:07 pm

which may not be configured the same as yours, it's in 'sbbs.log'. It is VERY likely to be a password mismatch between you and your FidoNet hub. Check the log and see what it says when you try to send the Areafix netmail. If it is indeed a password issue you'll have to work that out with your uplink (hub).

I have been working with my uplink, and still having the issues. My passwords are correct but seems that my NetMail is not being packed and
is being sent out as .out files?

I have been over my setup 100 times, hope to figure it out soon. I need
to step away from it for a few hours (days), lol.

I have the same uplink. Below is the node definition for that node,
snipped from my /sbbs/ctrl/sbbsecho.ini file. Obviously the passwords
have been redacted, but this works fine for me. Put in your own
passwords on this config and see what happens.

[node:1:3634/12]
Name = Mark Lewis
Comment = Southeast Star
Archive = None
PacketType = 2+
PacketPwd = xxxxxxxx
AreaFix = true
AreaFixPwd = xxxxxxxx
SessionPwd = xxxxxxxx
TicFilePwd = xxxxxxxx
Inbox =
Outbox =
Passive = false
Direct = true
Notify = false
Keys =
Status = Normal
BinkpHost = sestar.synchro.net
BinkpPort = 24554
BinkpPoll = true
BinkpPlainAuthOnly = false
BinkpAllowPlainAuth = false
BinkpAllowPlainText = true
BinkpTLS = false


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Re: Re: Help with FidoNet setup
By: Gamgee to Xofraq on Mon Oct 07 2024 07:55 am

Xofraq wrote to Gamgee <=-

Re: Re: Help with FidoNet setup
By: Gamgee to Xofraq on Fri Oct 04 2024 07:07 pm

which may not be configured the same as yours, it's in 'sbbs.log'. It > Ga> VERY likely to be a password mismatch between you and your FidoNet hub. > Ga> Check the log and see what it says when you try to send the Areafix
netmail. If it is indeed a password issue you'll have to work that out > Ga> with your uplink (hub).

I have been working with my uplink, and still having the issues. My passwords are correct but seems that my NetMail is not being packed and > Xo> is being sent out as .out files?

I have been over my setup 100 times, hope to figure it out soon. I need > Xo> to step away from it for a few hours (days), lol.

I have the same uplink. Below is the node definition for that node,
snipped from my /sbbs/ctrl/sbbsecho.ini file. Obviously the passwords
have been redacted, but this works fine for me. Put in your own
passwords on this config and see what happens.

[node:1:3634/12]
Name = Mark Lewis
Comment = Southeast Star
Archive = None
PacketType = 2+
PacketPwd = xxxxxxxx
AreaFix = true
AreaFixPwd = xxxxxxxx
SessionPwd = xxxxxxxx
TicFilePwd = xxxxxxxx
Inbox =
Outbox =
Passive = false
Direct = true
Notify = false
Keys =
Status = Normal
BinkpHost = sestar.synchro.net
BinkpPort = 24554
BinkpPoll = true
BinkpPlainAuthOnly = false
BinkpAllowPlainAuth = false
BinkpAllowPlainText = true
BinkpTLS = false

... All the easy problems have been solved.

Just updarted some fields that were diffrent. Let's see what happens. (-:

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Re: Re: Help with FidoNet setup
By: Gamgee to Xofraq on Mon Oct 07 2024 07:55 am

Xofraq wrote to Gamgee <=-

Re: Re: Help with FidoNet setup
By: Gamgee to Xofraq on Fri Oct 04 2024 07:07 pm

which may not be configured the same as yours, it's in 'sbbs.log'. It > Ga> VERY likely to be a password mismatch between you and your FidoNet hub. > Ga> Check the log and see what it says when you try to send the Areafix
netmail. If it is indeed a password issue you'll have to work that out > Ga> with your uplink (hub).

I have been working with my uplink, and still having the issues. My passwords are correct but seems that my NetMail is not being packed and > Xo> is being sent out as .out files?

I have been over my setup 100 times, hope to figure it out soon. I need > Xo> to step away from it for a few hours (days), lol.

I have the same uplink. Below is the node definition for that node,
snipped from my /sbbs/ctrl/sbbsecho.ini file. Obviously the passwords
have been redacted, but this works fine for me. Put in your own
passwords on this config and see what happens.

[node:1:3634/12]
Name = Mark Lewis
Comment = Southeast Star
Archive = None
PacketType = 2+
PacketPwd = xxxxxxxx
AreaFix = true
AreaFixPwd = xxxxxxxx
SessionPwd = xxxxxxxx
TicFilePwd = xxxxxxxx
Inbox =
Outbox =
Passive = false
Direct = true
Notify = false
Keys =
Status = Normal
BinkpHost = sestar.synchro.net
BinkpPort = 24554
BinkpPoll = true
BinkpPlainAuthOnly = false
BinkpAllowPlainAuth = false
BinkpAllowPlainText = true
BinkpTLS = false

... All the easy problems have been solved.

Looks like I am in business! Made these changes, password update and reated a new directory seemed to work. Thanks for the input!

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Re: Help with FidoNet setup
By: Xofraq to Digital Man on Fri Oct 04 2024 08:02:04

Does anyone know how long it takes to get a response from a hub for Fidonet?

I've sent out a message to RC and within 24 hours I got back a reply.

I sent out a request to who the RC said should be my hub, but I get nothing back. So part of me wonders if I'm having a problem sending to the hub.

The thing without a response makes it hard to know.

And the message is gone, it can't be found.

As far as I know I can't get a message back from the hub using fidonet type addressing because I don't have a password for the hub.

And I see in the log file bink pulls error about authentication, which makes sense to me.

So I'm not sure if I have done things correctly. I think so because the RC got back to me vai regualar email.

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bbsing wrote to All <=-

Re: Help with FidoNet setup

Does anyone know how long it takes to get a response from a hub for Fidonet?

I've sent out a message to RC and within 24 hours I got back a reply.

I sent out a request to who the RC said should be my hub, but I get nothing back. So part of me wonders if I'm having a problem sending to
the hub.

Depends on the people involved. Where do you live?



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Re: Help with FidoNet setup
By: bbsing to All on Mon Nov 18 2024 11:03 am

Re: Help with FidoNet setup
By: Xofraq to Digital Man on Fri Oct 04 2024 08:02:04

Does anyone know how long it takes to get a response from a hub for Fidonet?

I've sent out a message to RC and within 24 hours I got back a reply.

The RC assign/give you a node address?
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Re: Help with FidoNet setup
By: Digital Man to bbsing on Mon Nov 18 2024 22:19:46

Does anyone know how long it takes to get a response from a hub for Fidonet?

I've sent out a message to RC and within 24 hours I got back a reply.

The RC assign/give you a node address?

No the RC sent me over to the NC at 105.

I think he did that because I'm in Island County WA, seems like the area outside of the cofirmned cities ont he page:

https://www.region17.net/whowho.html

I'm not sure though becuase it looks like 105 is in Oregon state.

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Re: Re: Help with FidoNet setup
By: Gamgee to bbsing on Mon Nov 18 2024 20:25:48

Does anyone know how long it takes to get a response from a hub for Fidonet?

I've sent out a message to RC and within 24 hours I got back a reply.

I sent out a request to who the RC said should be my hub, but I get nothing back. So part of me wonders if I'm having a problem sending to the hub.

Depends on the people involved. Where do you live?

I live on Whidbey Island, Island County WA.

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Re: Re: Help with FidoNet setup
By: Gamgee to bbsing on Mon Nov 18 2024 20:25:48

Does anyone know how long it takes to get a response from a hub for Fidonet?

I've sent out a message to RC and within 24 hours I got back a reply.

I sent out a request to who the RC said should be my hub, but I get nothing back. So part of me wonders if I'm having a problem sending to the hub.

Depends on the people involved. Where do you live?

I live on Whidbey Island, Island County WA.

Okay, so looks like you'd go into Region 17, Net 138.

Here are the RC and NC lines from the current nodelist for them:

Region,17,North_West,AB_AK_BC_ID_MT_OR_NWT_SK_WA_YT,Dallas_Hinton,-Unpublished-,300,CM,MO,INA:bandmaster.ddnsfree.com,IBN

Host,138,Rainer_Net,Pierce_County+_WA,Gene_Buckle,-Unpublished-,300,CM,XX,IBN:bbs.retroarchive.org,IFT,ITN

So I'd suggest trying a netmail to Gene Buckle there, or perhaps log in
to that BBS and leave him a local message or something. Good luck.



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So I'm not sure if I have done things correctly. I think so because the RC got >back to me vai regualar email.

Sounds like you need to ask your RC, via email, if the hub operator has an email address you can contact him with first.


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Re: Help with FidoNet setup
By: Dumas Walker to BBSING on Tue Nov 19 2024 10:50 am

So I'm not sure if I have done things correctly. I think so because the RC got >back to me vai regualar email.

Sounds like you need to ask your RC, via email, if the hub operator has an email address you can contact him with first.

when i got a fidonet setup there was an issue with the hub and he refused to talk via internet email and he would only call ME during the day when i was at work. i could not call him or schedule a time. on top of that he was mostly deaf and couldn't hear shit over the phone. he's not with us now

i had to go with someone else. i wouldn't even carry fidonet. it's not worth it.
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Re: Help with FidoNet setup
By: Dumas Walker to BBSING on Tue Nov 19 2024 10:50 am

So I'm not sure if I have done things correctly. I think so because the RC got >back to me vai regualar email.

Sounds like you need to ask your RC, via email, if the hub operator has an email address you can contact him with first.

when i got a fidonet setup there was an issue with the hub and he
refused to talk via internet email and he would only call ME during the day when i was at work. i could not call him or schedule a time. on top
of that he was mostly deaf and couldn't hear shit over the phone. he's not with us now

i had to go with someone else. i wouldn't even carry fidonet. it's not worth it.

There are assholes everywhere, including in FidoNet.

Doesn't mean everyone in FidoNet is an asshole, or that it has no value.



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Sounds like you need to ask your RC, via email, if the hub operator has an email address you can contact him with first.

when i got a fidonet setup there was an issue with the hub and he refused to talk via internet email and he would only call ME during the day when i was

t

work. i could not call him or schedule a time. on top of that he was mostly deaf and couldn't hear shit over the phone. he's not with us now

i had to go with someone else. i wouldn't even carry fidonet. it's not worth it.

If BBSING also runs into similar issues, he may also need to try someone
else.


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Re: Help with FidoNet setup
By: Dumas Walker to BBSING on Tue Nov 19 2024 10:50:00

So I'm not sure if I have done things correctly. I think so because the RC got >back to me vai regualar email.

Sounds like you need to ask your RC, via email, if the hub operator has an email address you can contact him with first.

I think you are right here. I will have to ask for email.

I see in my message logs the binkp out is erroring due to a authentication.

This makes sense because I don't have a password with the hub.

I see the .out files still in my fidonet outbound folder.

So the process with Fidonet isn't working well from tutorials and documentation.

Back in the dialup days probably was different.

I'll seek out an email.

I think I'm blocked from logging into bbs.retroarchive.org, due to all the attempts at sending netmail to them.

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Re: Help with FidoNet setup
By: bbsing to Dumas Walker on Sat Nov 23 2024 12:20 am

I see in my message logs the binkp out is erroring due to a authentication.

This makes sense because I don't have a password with the hub.

Normally, authenticated BinkP sessions are allowed/just-fine. The problem would be if one of the endpoints has a password defined and the other does not (or they don't match). But not having a password (on both sides) does not normally cause any kind of authentication error.
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Re: Help with FidoNet setup
By: Digital Man to bbsing on Sat Nov 23 2024 12:26 pm

Normally, authenticated BinkP sessions are allowed/just-fine.

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Re: Help with FidoNet setup
By: MRO to Dumas Walker on Tue Nov 19 2024 20:05:47

Re: Help with FidoNet setup
By: Dumas Walker to BBSING on Tue Nov 19 2024 10:50 am

So I'm not sure if I have done things correctly. I think so because the RC got >back to me vai regualar email.

Sounds like you need to ask your RC, via email, if the hub operator has an email address you can contact him with first.

when i got a fidonet setup there was an issue with the hub and he refused to talk via internet email and he would only call ME
during the day when i was at work. i could not call him or schedule a time. on top of that he was mostly deaf and couldn't hear
shit over the phone. he's not with us now

thats got to be pretty dang frustrating.

i had to go with someone else. i wouldn't even carry fidonet. it's not worth it.

I hope to be a carry of fidonet, but I do want some other networks as well, like fsxnet.

Fidonet is part of bbs hobby.

One thing I don't understand about it, is why becoming part of it is so difficult. Dovenet was so streamlined. Seems to be to keep that fidonet alive and healthy having nodes and participation is part of a healthy network.

Of course I don't have a node and I haven't been able to participate in it like others have yet so I don't really know much about having a node. I hope to gain more understanding if I get a net node.

There are a lot of networks out there and many of them seem very interesting.

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bbsing wrote to MRO <=-

One thing I don't understand about it, is why becoming part of it is so difficult. Dovenet was so streamlined. Seems to be to keep that fidonet alive and healthy having nodes and participation is part of a healthy network.

Of course I don't have a node and I haven't been able to participate in
it like others have yet so I don't really know much about having a
node. I hope to gain more understanding if I get a net node.

Did you not see the message I sent you on this subject about 5 days ago?
It told you exactly who you need to contact to get things started.



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Re: Help with FidoNet setup
By: bbsing to MRO on Sat Nov 23 2024 10:39 pm

Fidonet is part of bbs hobby.

fidonet is just a handful of people. not worth joining.
just get a feed from someone else. you can get it via nntp from vert like i do.

One thing I don't understand about it, is why becoming part of it is so difficult.

because that's how it's setup to be. it's not really difficult. i've set it up multiple times and i've fixed other people's setups several times.

Dovenet was so streamlined.

There are a lot of networks out there and many of them seem very interesting.

dont know what you mean by that. it's just the same people on all of them.

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MRO wrote to bbsing <=-

Re: Help with FidoNet setup
By: bbsing to MRO on Sat Nov 23 2024 10:39 pm

Fidonet is part of bbs hobby.

fidonet is just a handful of people.

Well, it's the largest FTN network that exists...

not worth joining.

I disagree.

just get a feed from someone else. you can get it via nntp from vert
like i do.

Not the same thing as having a node number.


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Re: Re: Help with FidoNet setup
By: Gamgee to bbsing on Sun Nov 24 2024 08:25:22

bbsing wrote to MRO <=-

One thing I don't understand about it, is why becoming part of it is so difficult. Dovenet was so streamlined. Seems to be
to
keep that fidonet alive and healthy having nodes and participation is part of a healthy network.

Of course I don't have a node and I haven't been able to participate in it like others have yet so I don't really know much about having a node. I hope to gain more understanding if I get a net node.

Did you not see the message I sent you on this subject about 5 days ago?
It told you exactly who you need to contact to get things started.

I saw your post, and I have attempted to contact Gene via email, I have logged into BBS bbs.retroarchive.org and sent Gene a message there as well.

I'm still waiting for a response from Gene, so I haven't made any updates to your post or responded to your advisement.

I'll find out how it goes, and give Gene time to see my message.

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bbsing wrote to Gamgee <=-

Of course I don't have a node and I haven't been able to participate in it like others have yet so I don't really know much about having a node. I hope to gain more understanding if I get a net node.

Did you not see the message I sent you on this subject about 5 days ago?
It told you exactly who you need to contact to get things started.

I saw your post, and I have attempted to contact Gene via email, I have logged into BBS bbs.retroarchive.org and sent Gene a message there as well.

I'm still waiting for a response from Gene, so I haven't made any
updates to your post or responded to your advisement.

I'll find out how it goes, and give Gene time to see my message.

OK, good. Hope things go well.




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Re: Re: Help with FidoNet setup
By: Gamgee to bbsing on Sun Nov 24 2024 08:25 am

One thing I don't understand about it, is why becoming part of it is so
difficult. Dovenet was so streamlined. Seems to be to keep that fidonet
alive and healthy having nodes and participation is part of a healthy
network.

Dealing with some of the people to get back in and get setup, I'm beginning to wonder why I'm trying myself. The are other networks that I am in and so far, much better to deal with.

Grease (Will)
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HealthNet: 999:1/6
tqwNet: 1337:3/208

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Re: Help with FidoNet setup
By: Digital Man to bbsing on Sat Nov 23 2024 12:26:02

Re: Help with FidoNet setup
By: bbsing to Dumas Walker on Sat Nov 23 2024 12:20 am

I see in my message logs the binkp out is erroring due to a authentication.

This makes sense because I don't have a password with the hub.

Normally, authenticated BinkP sessions are allowed/just-fine. The problem would be if one of the endpoints has a password
defined
and the other does not (or they don't match). But not having a password (on both sides) does not normally cause any kind of
authentication error.

I don't see where I specified a password.


I think I got messed up reading the logs, and its not an authentication error.

I thinkk binkout is working, and binkpoll is the issue, the error. I don't know why my message to RC at 1:153 left the outbound folder and the other messages to the NC's stuck there. Kill was sent after sent in my settings.


evnt BINKPOLL Attempting callout for 1:138/0@fidonet, file: /sbbs/fido/outbound/008a0000.out
Nov 23 00:02:46 lunarout synchronet[12413]: evnt BINKPOLL JSBinkP/4 callout to 1:138/0@fidonet started
Nov 23 00:02:46 lunarout synchronet[12413]: evnt BINKPOLL Connecting to 1:138/0@fidonet at f0.n138.z1.binkp.net:24554
Nov 23 00:03:01 lunarout synchronet[12413]: evnt BINKPOLL Connection to f0.n138.z1.binkp.net:24554 failed (Error: Unable to connect to connect to f0.n138.z1.binkp.net:24554).
Nov 23 00:03:01 lunarout synchronet[12413]: evnt BINKPOLL Timed event: BINKPOLL returned 0

Same type of error with 1:105/0, 1:105/1.


I don't understand why RC got the message so quickly @ 1:153/7715.

Maybe I've got something going on wrong with my system, like I shouldn't enable binkpoll yet.

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Re: Re: Help with FidoNet setup
By: Grease to Gamgee on Sun Nov 24 2024 15:20:53

Re: Re: Help with FidoNet setup
By: Gamgee to bbsing on Sun Nov 24 2024 08:25 am

One thing I don't understand about it, is why becoming part of it is so

Dealing with some of the people to get back in and get setup, I'm beginning

What are some of the issues you are experiencing?

What have you tried?

I'm trying why I'm not getting communication back from the NC. The issue I'm having is, I don't know if the NC has received my messages.

to wonder why I'm trying myself. The are other networks that I am in and so far, much better to deal with.

Certainly is frustrating, but if your goal is to have a node and offer Fidonet, its a good reason to keep trying.

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Re: Re: Help with FidoNet setup
By: bbsing to Grease on Mon Nov 25 2024 11:19 am

What are some of the issues you are experiencing?
What have you tried?
I'm trying why I'm not getting communication back from the NC. The issue I'm having is, I don't know if the NC has received my messages.

Pretty much the same as you. I was NC of 1:170 back in the 90's. Five years
ago I had a node number and was fine. The guy for R19, I know and have had several messages and netmails to, basically has me set up, ready to go. It's theNC of 1:106 that I can't get ahold of. So, 1:396/45 will help if he or I can't get through to him.
It just seems that there is an attitude of "We're FidoNet and you need us,
not the other way around". When other networks I'm in is easier to join and just as busy.

Grease (Will)
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HealthNet: 999:1/6
tqwNet: 1337:3/208

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Re: Re: Help with FidoNet setup
By: Grease to bbsing on Tue Nov 26 2024 10:06 am

Howdy,

I'm trying why I'm not getting communication back from the NC. The issue I'm having is, I don't know if the NC has received my messages.

Pretty much the same as you. I was NC of 1:170 back in the 90's. Five years ago I had a node number and was fine. The guy for R19, I know and have had several messages and netmails to, basically has me set up, ready to go. It's theNC of 1:106 that I can't get ahold of. So, 1:396/45 will help if he or I can't get through to him.

It just seems that there is an attitude of "We're FidoNet and you need us, not the other way around". When other networks I'm in is easier to join and just as busy.

If you guys are having trouble getting into fidonet, I can provide you with a point off my (othernet) Hub (which has a fidonet address). It'll be a zone 3 address, but it'll get you online until you can sort out a real address if you want to go that path.

Let me know.


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Re: Re: Help with FidoNet setup
By: Grease to bbsing on Tue Nov 26 2024 10:06 am

Re: Re: Help with FidoNet setup
By: bbsing to Grease on Mon Nov 25 2024 11:19 am

What are some of the issues you are experiencing?
What have you tried?
I'm trying why I'm not getting communication back from the NC. The issue I'm having is, I don't know if the NC has received my messages.

Pretty much the same as you. I was NC of 1:170 back in the 90's. Five years ago I had a node number and was fine. The guy for R19, I know and have had several messages and netmails to, basically has me set up, ready to go. It's theNC of 1:106 that I can't get ahold of. So, 1:396/45 will help if he or I can't get through to him.
It just seems that there is an attitude of "We're FidoNet and you need us, not the other way around". When other networks I'm in is easier to join and just as busy.

well this isn't the old days. you can get anybody as your fidonet feed. they try to push you to get ones in your area but you don't have to.

just have marc lewis feed you.
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Re: Re: Help with FidoNet setup
By: deon to Grease on Wed Nov 27 2024 08:12 am

If you guys are having trouble getting into fidonet, I can provide you with a point off my (othernet) Hub (which has a fidonet address). It'll be a zone 3 address, but it'll get you online until you can sort out a real address if you want to go that path.

Okay, I'm supposed to find out by the beginning of next week. I'll let you know.

Grease (Will)
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HealthNet: 999:1/6
tqwNet: 1337:3/208

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Re: Re: Help with FidoNet setup
By: MRO to Grease on Tue Nov 26 2024 03:49 pm

well this isn't the old days. you can get anybody as your fidonet feed. they try to push you to get ones in your area but you don't have to.
just have marc lewis feed you.

That's who I've been talking to. He's the helpful one.

Grease (Will)
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Re: Re: Help with FidoNet setup
By: Grease to bbsing on Tue Nov 26 2024 10:06:15

Re: Re: Help with FidoNet setup
By: bbsing to Grease on Mon Nov 25 2024 11:19 am

What are some of the issues you are experiencing?
What have you tried?
I'm trying why I'm not getting communication back from the NC. The issue I'm having is, I don't know if the NC has received
my messages.

Pretty much the same as you. I was NC of 1:170 back in the 90's. Five years ago I had a node number and was fine. The guy for R19, I know and have had several messages and netmails to, basically has me
set up, ready to go. It's theNC of 1:106 that I can't get ahold of. So, 1:396/45 will help if he or I can't get through to him.
It just seems that there is an attitude of "We're FidoNet and you need us, not the other way around". When other networks I'm in is easier to join and just as busy.

Thanks for the response Grease.

In my case I don't understand the hold up, specifically after reading policy4 doc, and the regqion 17 guide.

I'll try again, i probably didn't do something correctly.

While writing this message I went back and read policy4 again, and I realize I didn't follow the to the letter how to request a node.

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The message you send must include at least the following information:

1) Your name.
2) Your voice telephone number
3) The name of your system.
4) The city and state where your system is located.
5) The phone number to be used when calling your system.
6) Your hours of operation, netmail and BBS.
7) The maximum baud rate you can support.
8) The type of mailer software and modem you are using.

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Thanks for all who have been discussing this. For a new operator like me these messages help.

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Re: Re: Help with FidoNet setup
By: bbsing to Grease on Tue Nov 26 2024 22:45:54

Re: Re: Help with FidoNet setup
By: Grease to bbsing on Tue Nov 26 2024 10:06:15

Re: Re: Help with FidoNet setup
By: bbsing to Grease on Mon Nov 25 2024 11:19 am

What are some of the issues you are experiencing?
What have you tried?
I'm trying why I'm not getting communication back from the NC. The issue I'm having is, I don't know if the NC has
received
my messages.

Pretty much the same as you. I was NC of 1:170 back in the 90's. Five years ago I had a node number and was fine. The guy for
R19, I know and have had several messages and netmails to, basically has me
set up, ready to go. It's theNC of 1:106 that I can't get ahold of. So, 1:396/45 will help if he or I can't get through to
him.
It just seems that there is an attitude of "We're FidoNet and you need us, not the other way around". When other networks I'm
in is easier to join and just as busy.

Thanks for the response Grease.

In my case I don't understand the hold up, specifically after reading policy4 doc, and the regqion 17 guide.

I'll try again, i probably didn't do something correctly.

I'm responding to my message, because after doing some more research I see partly why I'm having troubles.

NC for 1:138 system has my IP on a blacklist, connections from my IP address are being rejected/blocked.
NC for 1:340 system requires a password.
NC for 1:105 system bink port doesn't appear to be on. Might be a push only system.

So when trying to send a netmail to these systems via binkp ... fails are what happens.

If you or anyone else is attempting to follow proceedures by sending a netmail like policy4 states, I cant see how this process is supposed to work.

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Once you have located the network or region in your area, send a message containing a request for a node number to node zero of that network or
region. The request must be sent by netmail, as this indicates that your system has FidoNet capability.

You must set up your software so that the from-address in your message does
not cause problems for the coordinator who receives it. If you pick the address of an existing system, this will cause obvious problems. If your software is capable of using address -1/-1, this is the traditional address used by potential sysops. Otherwise use net/9999 (e.g. if you are applying
to net 123, set your system up as 123/9999). Many nets have specific instructions available to potential sysops and these procedures may indicate
a preference for the from-address.

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Hi bbsing,

On 2024-11-27 00:45:29, you wrote to Grease:

NC for 1:138 system has my IP on a blacklist, connections from my IP address are being rejected/blocked.

That is unfortunate. If that situation remains, you schould try and get it resolved, maybe by contacting the RC.
Btw: I can connect just fine to this system.

NC for 1:340 system requires a password.

That is a wrong configuration for any system, specially for a Host. Any system in the nodelist, not Pvt, should be able to receive crash netmails.

That being said, I could just deliver mail fine to this system, without a password, so he might have already configured your system on his. Did you suggest a password for your binkp connections with him? If so use that.

NC for 1:105 system bink port doesn't appear to be on. Might be a push only system.

A host system can't be Pvt/"Push only". Hopefully it's a temporary problem, if not it's a matter for the RC to resolve.
Btw: A moment ago I could connect just fine to this system. So it probably was a temporary problem


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Re: Re: Help with FidoNet setup
By: Grease to MRO on Tue Nov 26 2024 09:01 pm

Re: Re: Help with FidoNet setup
By: MRO to Grease on Tue Nov 26 2024 03:49 pm

well this isn't the old days. you can get anybody as your fidonet feed. they try to push you to get ones in your area but you don't have to.
just have marc lewis feed you.

That's who I've been talking to. He's the helpful one.

yeah i know. you posted his node number.
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