• Shame on Zelenski

    From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to All on Friday, February 28, 2025 21:06:58
    I was worried that Trump was going to give in to Zelenski today. I need to stop worrying about stuff like that!

    Trump nailed it. No more money to fight Russia, because we don't want anymore fighting, and we just want peace.

    ..and that Ukraine could pay us back for the money we already gave them by giving us minerals from their mines.

    Trump is the best! That's my orange man! I'm so proud of my president!

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  • From Danny Bee@1:105/420 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, March 01, 2025 01:41:22
    I was worried that Trump was going to give in to Zelenski today. I need
    to stop worrying about stuff like that!

    Trump nailed it. No more money to fight Russia, because we don't want anymore fighting, and we just want peace.

    European speaking, fine with the money, happy to dedolarize the world. you guys are defaulted anyway with your money... just speculating the other way.

    but as a diplomatic standard, it was just a TV shit show driven by dumb comedian and to be clear, Trump was that bad comedian yesterday.

    I'm with Zelensky in this case.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, March 01, 2025 07:56:54
    Aaron Thomas wrote to All <=-

    I was worried that Trump was going to give in to Zelenski today. I need
    to stop worrying about stuff like that!

    Trump nailed it. No more money to fight Russia, because we don't want anymore fighting, and we just want peace.

    The problem is that Zelenski doesn't. Peace means and end to the gravy train of money. It also means an end to power. He suspended elections in Ukraine because of the "war" (he's legally allowed to do that) but his popularity is extremely poor. No war. Elections must happen. Z-ski is out of a job.

    ..and that Ukraine could pay us back for the money we already gave them
    by giving us minerals from their mines.

    That would be nice.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to DANNY BEE on Saturday, March 01, 2025 11:42:00
    European speaking, fine with the money, happy to dedolarize the world. you guy
    are defaulted anyway with your money... just speculating the other way.

    but as a diplomatic standard, it was just a TV shit show driven by dumb comedian and to be clear, Trump was that bad comedian yesterday.

    I'm with Zelensky in this case.

    On the one hand, I really don't like the idea of funding a foreign war. On
    the other hand, back in the 1990s the Western powers (*including* the USA) promised to defend Ukraine against Russia as a trade-off for Ukraine giving
    up the former USSR nukes that were in their territory.

    Now, our current leadership seems to be trying to get around that by
    denying that Russia invaded Ukraine at all. They seem to believe that "peace" means laying down their weapons and letting Russia have whatever they want.

    So much for American promises.

    Americans who think that is a good idea would probably not be acting so casually if, say, Mexico were to invade the USA and take back their former territories. I can say this with confidence as we already saw how those
    people reacted when latino refugees "invaded" via Mexico during the Biden administration.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Danny Bee on Saturday, March 01, 2025 10:08:12
    but as a diplomatic standard, it was just a TV shit show driven by dumb comedian and to be clear, Trump was that bad comedian yesterday.

    I'm with Zelensky in this case.

    I saw an old lady down the street walking with her purse unzipped. There ya go buddy. Good luck.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Saturday, March 01, 2025 10:12:36
    Trump nailed it. No more money to fight Russia, because we don't want anymore fighting, and we just want peace.

    The problem is that Zelenski doesn't. Peace means and end to the gravy train of money. It also means an end to power. He suspended elections
    in Ukraine because of the "war" (he's legally allowed to do that) but
    his popularity is extremely poor. No war. Elections must happen.
    Z-ski is out of a job.

    Exactly. It didn't take long to learn that about Zelenski. The first panhandling excursion to Joe's whitehouse made it abundantly clear.

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  • From Mike Miller@1:154/30.1 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, March 01, 2025 11:24:02
    Aaron Thomas wrote to All <=-

    I was worried that Trump was going to give in to Zelenski today. I need
    to stop worrying about stuff like that!

    Trump nailed it. No more money to fight Russia, because we don't want
    anymore fighting, and we just want peace.

    The problem is that Zelenski doesn't. Peace means and end to the gravy train of money. It also means an end to power. He suspended elections in Ukraine because of the "war" (he's legally allowed to do that) but his popularity is extremely poor. No war. Elections must happen. Z-ski is out of a job.

    Poll gives Zelensky 57% approval rating despite Trump claims

    https://www.voanews.com/a/of-ukrainians-trust-president-zelenskyy-ukrainian-institute-says/7983511.html



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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to MIKE MILLER on Saturday, March 01, 2025 13:24:00
    Poll gives Zelensky 57% approval rating despite Trump claims

    You are trying to confuse them with numbers and facts. :D


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Miller on Saturday, March 01, 2025 15:57:52
    The problem is that Zelenski doesn't. Peace means and end to the gra train of money. It also means an end to power. He suspended electio Ukraine because of the "war" (he's legally allowed to do that) but hi popularity is extremely poor. No war. Elections must happen. Z-ski out of a job.

    Poll gives Zelensky 57% approval rating despite Trump claims

    It sounds fake. They didn't ask me for my rating. Did they ask you for yours?

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  • From Mike Miller@1:154/30.1 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, March 01, 2025 20:30:58
    The problem is that Zelenski doesn't. Peace means and end to the
    gra RL> train of money. It also means an end to power. He suspended
    electio RL> Ukraine because of the "war" (he's legally allowed to do
    that) but hi RL> popularity is extremely poor. No war. Elections must
    happen. Z-ski RL> out of a job.

    Poll gives Zelensky 57% approval rating despite Trump claims

    It sounds fake. They didn't ask me for my rating. Did they ask you for yours?


    Are you Ukrainian?

    You don't seem too upset that Trump blatantly lied about it
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  • From Danny Bee@1:105/420 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, March 02, 2025 09:37:26
    Poll gives Zelensky 57% approval rating despite Trump claims

    It sounds fake. They didn't ask me for my rating. Did they ask you for yours?

    I think this is Poll taken in Ukraine and by/for Ukrainians only to share opinions.

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  • From Danny Bee@1:105/420 to Mike Powell on Sunday, March 02, 2025 09:50:32
    On the one hand, I really don't like the idea of funding a foreign war. On the other hand, back in the 1990s the Western powers (*including* the USA) promised to defend Ukraine against Russia as a trade-off for
    Ukraine giving up the former USSR nukes that were in their territory.

    That's fair to say about funding, it would be even better to say funding foreign wars was never part of US history and political strategy to keep post WWII dominance. This one is no different than Venezuela, Iran-Iraq wars, Aftanistan, etc... It's obvious that if there is a deal, your country is more than happy to sponsor any war, anywhere without a blink of an eye.

    What Ukraine is fighting for is to stay legitimate as sovereign country and without a territorial loss and all they seek for is partnership with potential allies who think it's equally important and beneficial for them to win that goal.

    US is shifting from that partnership. I believe it will just mobilize EU to stay united in both supporting Ukraine on that journey and to eliminate any sort of US dominance in Europe as a whole. Huge chance this will succeed in the long-run.

    Rest will just become history.


    Now, our current leadership seems to be trying to get around that by denying that Russia invaded Ukraine at all. They seem to believe that "peace" means laying down their weapons and letting Russia have whatever they want.

    So much for American promises.

    Correct. that makes Trump administration untrusted and USA's any sort of partnership in Europe compromised. That will turn over eventually, but in the next years I'm expecting more fun in getting EU more independent and punching back.

    Thus... yeah.. isolationism maybe works for many domestic groups in the country and that's OK to admin to the general satisfaction of Trump's electorate in USA... but it won't help it stay relevant in international politics if that continues... and may actually make your crusade against the Chinese be driven solo.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Miller on Sunday, March 02, 2025 20:43:42
    Poll gives Zelensky 57% approval rating despite Trump claims

    It sounds fake. They didn't ask me for my rating. Did they ask you fo yours?

    Are you Ukrainian?

    No, but I do feel like I own part of their country.

    It still sounds fake. Who is in favor of hundreds of mandatory deaths per day?

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Danny Bee on Sunday, March 02, 2025 21:08:02
    Poll gives Zelensky 57% approval rating despite Trump claims

    It sounds fake. They didn't ask me for my rating. Did they ask you fo yours?

    I think this is Poll taken in Ukraine and by/for Ukrainians only to share opinions.

    Thanks, I missed that. But I think they forgot to ask them if they approve of hundreds of deaths per day.

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  • From Mike Miller@1:154/30.1 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, March 02, 2025 22:36:03
    Poll gives Zelensky 57% approval rating despite Trump claims

    It sounds fake. They didn't ask me for my rating. Did they ask you
    fo AT> yours?

    Are you Ukrainian?

    No, but I do feel like I own part of their country.

    It still sounds fake. Who is in favor of hundreds of mandatory deaths per day?

    So, Ukraine, a democratic country, should just roll over and let an
    autocratic dictator take whatever he wants?

    I'm guessing you'd be fine if Putin decided he wanted Alaska back too?




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  • From Mike Miller@1:154/30.1 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, March 02, 2025 22:45:01
    Poll gives Zelensky 57% approval rating despite Trump claims

    It sounds fake. They didn't ask me for my rating. Did they ask you
    fo AT> yours?

    Are you Ukrainian?

    No, but I do feel like I own part of their country.

    Is that how we are doing things? If we loan another country money, we own them?

    We better start learning Japanese then, since Japan owns. 1.1 Trillion in US Debt.
    Maybe we should have renamed The Gulf of Mexico to The Gulf of China, since they own $750 billion of our debt.
    Or maybe we should have renamed Mt. Denali to Mt. Charlie, since the UK owns $690 billion of us debt?

    Maybe we'll just become the 11th Canadian province since we owe Canada about $400 billion.




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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Miller on Monday, March 03, 2025 07:13:38
    No, but I do feel like I own part of their country.

    It still sounds fake. Who is in favor of hundreds of mandatory deaths day?

    So, Ukraine, a democratic country, should just roll over and let an
    autocratic dictator take whatever he wants?

    He can fight all he wants, but it's not fair to the families losing their fathers and sons. It's also not fair to the people who want to vote Zelensky out of office but he won't allow that either. With that being said, it's actually 2 autocratic dictators having a battle.

    I'm guessing you'd be fine if Putin decided he wanted Alaska back too?

    The USA paid for Alaska. Ukraine did not pay for independence from Russia.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Miller on Monday, March 03, 2025 07:16:30
    Is that how we are doing things? If we loan another country money, we
    own them?


    We better start learning Japanese then, since Japan owns. 1.1 Trillion
    in US Debt.
    Maybe we should have renamed The Gulf of Mexico to The Gulf of China, since they own $750 billion of our debt.
    Or maybe we should have renamed Mt. Denali to Mt. Charlie, since the UK owns $690 billion of us debt?

    Yea. If we default on our loans, then it will be smart for us to start learning Mandarin. We're incredibly lucky that the American people were smart enough to vote against that from happening.

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  • From Mike Miller@1:154/30 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, March 03, 2025 08:33:59
    Hello Aaron!

    31 May 70 07:41, you wrote to me:

    No, but I do feel like I own part of their country.

    It still sounds fake. Who is in favor of hundreds of
    mandatory deaths
    day?

    So, Ukraine, a democratic country, should just roll over and let
    an
    autocratic dictator take whatever he wants?

    He can fight all he wants, but it's not fair to the families losing
    their fathers and sons. It's also not fair to the people who want to
    vote Zelensky out of office but he won't allow that either. With that being said, it's actually 2 autocratic dictators having a battle.


    Based on the polls, and the general consensus around Ukraine and Europe, Zelensky seems pretty popular.

    Far more popular than our president.


    Also, The general conensus in Ukraine is that elections should not be held until after the war is over.

    https://www.kiis.com.ua/?lang=eng&cat=reports&id=1309&page=1



    I'm guessing you'd be fine if Putin decided he wanted Alaska
    back too?

    The USA paid for Alaska. Ukraine did not pay for independence from
    Russia.

    Oh, Then I guess King Chuck can just declare that the United States still belongs to the United Kingdom, since we never "paid" to be independent, we just "declared" it.

    (And before you go on about "we paid for it in blood" Spend some time digging into the Ukranian-Soviet and Polish-Soviet wars, the October Revolution)


    Mike


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  • From Mike Miller@1:154/30 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, March 03, 2025 08:49:41
    Hello Aaron!

    31 May 70 07:44, you wrote to me:

    Is that how we are doing things? If we loan another country
    money, we own them?


    We better start learning Japanese then, since Japan owns. 1.1
    Trillion in US Debt. Maybe we should have renamed The Gulf of
    Mexico to The Gulf of China, since they own $750 billion of our
    debt. Or maybe we should have renamed Mt. Denali to Mt. Charlie,
    since the UK owns $690 billion of us debt?

    Yea. If we default on our loans, then it will be smart for us to start learning Mandarin. We're incredibly lucky that the American people
    were smart enough to vote against that from happening.


    Ukraine has not defaulted on it's debts. So why do you feel like you own part of it?

    Mike


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  • From Danny Bee@1:105/420 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, March 03, 2025 02:27:32
    I think this is Poll taken in Ukraine and by/for Ukrainians only to s opinions.

    Thanks, I missed that. But I think they forgot to ask them if they
    approve of hundreds of deaths per day.


    Would you consider it as a legitimate question if your country was in the middle of being conquered and your DNA is not to surrender, rather fight back?

    You can't blame them.. However that may sound abstract.. if for a chance Mexico grabbed back half of Texas and talked bollocks about their historic rights.. I doubt lives saved would be more important than kick their assess out of Texas, in typical American mindset.

    Think they defend their own land and this is sacrifice they're willing to take to make their stance. Otherwise Ukraine will be just an experiment existing 30 years and they know it too.

    Thus I believe they will be seeking for all possible alliances to keep their hopes for being Independent.

    It's easy to talk about saving lives, while truth is you don't give a shit and all matters is that you keep the money that's yours to spend somewhere else.

    Again.. I'm fine with the money, just don't judge's people will to fight what they believe in. It's their right to believe in what drives them.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to DANNY BEE on Monday, March 03, 2025 11:24:00
    On the one hand, I really don't like the idea of funding a foreign war. On the other hand, back in the 1990s the Western powers (*including* the USA) promised to defend Ukraine against Russia as a trade-off for Ukraine giving up the former USSR nukes that were in their territory.

    That's fair to say about funding, it would be even better to say funding foreign wars was never part of US history and political strategy to keep post WWII dominance. This one is no different than Venezuela, Iran-Iraq wars, Aftanistan, etc... It's obvious that if there is a deal, your country is more
    than happy to sponsor any war, anywhere without a blink of an eye.

    Yeah, no kidding. The military industrial complex is very strong here.
    For reasons I cannot fathom, they must not be pushing our leaders to get involved in this one as I am sure it is a potential money making venture
    for them.

    US is shifting from that partnership. I believe it will just mobilize EU to stay united in both supporting Ukraine on that journey and to eliminate any sort of US dominance in Europe as a whole. Huge chance this will succeed in th
    long-run.

    Rest will just become history.

    It will not be a good thing for the US in the long run, not to have allies,
    but it would certainly benefit Europe if they were able to move away from
    being dominated from abroad.

    Thus... yeah.. isolationism maybe works for many domestic groups in the countr
    and that's OK to admin to the general satisfaction of Trump's electorate in USA... but it won't help it stay relevant in international politics if that continues... and may actually make your crusade against the Chinese be driven solo.

    You would think they might realize that such a reaction might push these
    other countries towards partnering with China... making them stronger...
    but I don't think they have thought that far ahead.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to MIKE MILLER on Monday, March 03, 2025 11:33:00
    So, Ukraine, a democratic country, should just roll over and let an
    autocratic dictator take whatever he wants?

    I'm guessing you'd be fine if Putin decided he wanted Alaska back too?

    I have asked them if we should just lay down if Mexico invades the USA to take their former territory back but only get crickets. <shrugs>

    So I guess they'd be fine with Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, Utah, California, and a good portion of Colorado becoming states of Mexico and
    taking their economic contributions with them.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Monday, March 03, 2025 12:35:00
    Thanks, I missed that. But I think they forgot to ask them if they approve of hundreds of deaths per day.

    They probably know that, if Russia is allowed to keep the areas they've
    taken over, a lot of Ukrainians will continue to die in those areas despite the alleged "peace."

    The USA paid for Alaska. Ukraine did not pay for independence from Russia.

    Ukraine was not a part of Russia. Ukraine was a part of the USSR along
    with Russia.

    If you want to go back far enough in history, much of European Russia was
    part of the Kievian Rus, the first slavic country in Eastern Europe. Formed
    in 882, the capitol was in Kiev -- in other words, in Ukraine.

    Muscovy, the predecessor state of Russia, was formed in the 1200s, nearly
    400 years *after* the Kievian Rus.

    If you are all for one country taking back what is theirs, you should be pushing for Russia to bow down and give Kiev back all of their territories
    and not the other way round.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Miller on Monday, March 03, 2025 11:14:08
    Based on the polls, and the general consensus around Ukraine and
    Europe, Zelensky seems pretty popular.

    Ask a Ukrainian woman if she's ok with her husband fighting to the death with the Russian army, or ask a mother if she wants her son to do it.

    Polls are lies that provide the narrative that certain elites want us to hear.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Miller on Monday, March 03, 2025 11:15:00
    I'm guessing you'd be fine if Putin decided he wanted Alaska
    back too?

    The USA paid for Alaska. Ukraine did not pay for independence from Russia.

    Oh, Then I guess King Chuck can just declare that the United States still belongs to the United Kingdom, since we never "paid" to be independent, we just "declared" it.

    If Russia wants Alaska back then let them come and try to take it.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Miller on Monday, March 03, 2025 11:15:52
    Yea. If we default on our loans, then it will be smart for us to star learning Mandarin. We're incredibly lucky that the American people were smart enough to vote against that from happening.


    Ukraine has not defaulted on it's debts. So why do you feel like you own part of it?

    Because my money was spent on their defense and they wasted it.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Danny Bee on Monday, March 03, 2025 11:18:00
    It's easy to talk about saving lives, while truth is you don't give a
    shit and all matters is that you keep the money that's yours to spend somewhere else.

    You're right about that.

    Again.. I'm fine with the money, just don't judge's people will to fight what they believe in. It's their right to believe in what drives them.

    Let's borrow trillions of dollars from the world bank so that gimpy losers from around the world can play dictator and fight for what they believe in.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Powell on Monday, March 03, 2025 11:36:18
    I'm guessing you'd be fine if Putin decided he wanted Alaska back too?

    I have asked them if we should just lay down if Mexico invades the USA
    to take their former territory back but only get crickets. <shrugs>

    So I guess they'd be fine with Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, Utah, California, and a good portion of Colorado becoming states of Mexico and taking their economic contributions with them.

    We could fight Mexixo. Mexico isn't Russia aka the world's biggest superpower.

    And suppose we did have to fight Mexico for our land: Whatever money we need, we'll borrow it from the world bank. The day that America goes around panhandling for money to fight a battle they can't win, is the day that America died.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Powell on Monday, March 03, 2025 11:43:22
    Thanks, I missed that. But I think they forgot to ask them if they appro hundreds of deaths per day.

    They probably know that, if Russia is allowed to keep the areas they've taken over, a lot of Ukrainians will continue to die in those areas despite the alleged "peace."

    They should head to Poland then. Unfortunately, Ukraine is unable to defend itself, and nobody in this entire world (who's in their right mind) wants to get in between them. Nobody wants Russia as an enemy. Nobody wants to spend money on a losing battle, except for purple haired lunatics in the USA.

    The USA paid for Alaska. Ukraine did not pay for independence from Russi

    Ukraine was not a part of Russia. Ukraine was a part of the USSR along with Russia.

    Who will pay the war costs if the USA goes to war with Russia over Alaska? Ukraine?

    If you want to go back far enough in history, much of European Russia was part of the Kievian Rus, the first slavic country in Eastern Europe. Formed in 882, the capitol was in Kiev -- in other words, in Ukraine.

    A war against Russia is out of the question. If you can't beat em, join em.

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  • From Danny Bee@1:105/420 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, March 03, 2025 10:20:48
    He can fight all he wants, but it's not fair to the families losing their fathers and sons. It's also not fair to the people who want to vote Zelensky out of office but he won't allow that either. With that being said, it's actually 2 autocratic dictators having a battle.

    Tell me, if US had fully pledged invasion on your homeland and losing, what your laws say about presidential elections if one's turn end before war is over?

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  • From Danny Bee@1:105/420 to Mike Powell on Monday, March 03, 2025 10:25:05
    You would think they might realize that such a reaction might push these other countries towards partnering with China... making them stronger... but I don't think they have thought that far ahead.


    And that's why I think this chess board is not yet fully set and see these "tough" have equal chance of bluffing a lot of their art in the business.

    otherwise I see a lot of tax payer dissat when realized they got all but gain.

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  • From Danny Bee@1:105/420 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, March 03, 2025 10:30:41
    Ask a Ukrainian woman if she's ok with her husband fighting to the death with the Russian army, or ask a mother if she wants her son to do it.


    I have 1.5M of them in my country, next to Ukraine. yes, they are OK to sacrifice a lot as long as they believe they can be free.


    I'm pretty sure you have no chance to see Ukrainian woman in your life, nor understanding their character.

    I'm pretty sure they'd love to hear they need to pay more than blood to be independent from the oppressor as you suggest in other thread. I'm sure that would bring more love and understanding to your way of "supporting them".

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  • From Danny Bee@1:105/420 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, March 03, 2025 10:35:46
    Let's borrow trillions of dollars from the world bank so that gimpy
    losers from around the world can play dictator and fight for what they believe in.


    Dollars are risky.. when this launches full scope, whole world may start playing to default it for real... I mean... like there is no tomorrow.

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  • From Danny Bee@1:105/420 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, March 03, 2025 12:46:33
    Who will pay the war costs if the USA goes to war with Russia over
    Alaska? Ukraine?

    I'm pretty sure we're talking about WWIII scenario anyway, with whole NATO mobilized if that happened.

    But the point is not in money, but in principles. Your felon president just disrespects people the way he communicates and this is not building any sort of trust toward any sort of partnership with the whole country he represents.

    That's the issue of Zelenski's meeting in White House last week. His behavior made you guys no different than Russia in his peoples eyes, immediately.

    They may lose this war, they did in the past. they were even starved to death by the oppressor twice in last century, even tho they have one of the best farming soil and conditions in the world.

    That doesn't matter. They chose with election of Zelenski and Majdan (orange) revolution they wanted to be free and more pro western with their future country values.

    Keep your money sir, but next time you show them middle finger in dark alley, better be careful. That's the peace Trump is trying to secure for you.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Danny Bee on Monday, March 03, 2025 18:22:10
    He can fight all he wants, but it's not fair to the families losing t fathers and sons. It's also not fair to the people who want to vote Zelensky out of office but he won't allow that either. With that bein said, it's actually 2 autocratic dictators having a battle.

    Tell me, if US had fully pledged invasion on your homeland and losing, what your laws say about presidential elections if one's turn end before war is over?

    The USA doesn't have a policy like that. If we did, then Democrats would abuse it by making sure that we're at war with another country ahead of election day. We're corrupt, just not that corrupt.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Danny Bee on Monday, March 03, 2025 18:35:44
    I'm pretty sure they'd love to hear they need to pay more than blood to
    be independent from the oppressor as you suggest in other thread. I'm
    sure that would bring more love and understanding to your way of "supporting them".

    To me, life is more important than independence from Russia. Even if that means eating peanut butter and bread for the rest of my life, with 2 squares of toilet paper per day, and only 1 TV channel. It's better than death.

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  • From Mike Miller@1:154/30.1 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, March 03, 2025 20:53:14
    I'm guessing you'd be fine if Putin decided he wanted Alaska
    back too?

    The USA paid for Alaska. Ukraine did not pay for independence from
    Russia.

    Oh, Then I guess King Chuck can just declare that the United States
    still belongs to the United Kingdom, since we never "paid" to be
    independent, we just "declared" it.

    If Russia wants Alaska back then let them come and try to take it.

    I don't want to spend money defending it.

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  • From Mike Miller@1:154/30.1 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, March 03, 2025 21:01:13
    Based on the polls, and the general consensus around Ukraine and
    Europe, Zelensky seems pretty popular.

    Ask a Ukrainian woman if she's ok with her husband fighting to the death with the Russian army, or ask a mother if she wants her son to do it.

    A cursory search of various news sites across the board seems to indicate strong support.

    Strange that you aren't advocating for mothers and wives of Russian soldiers. Why aren't you advocating for Russia to stop fighting?

    Polls are lies that provide the narrative that certain elites want us to hear.

    You're brainwashed.

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  • From Mike Miller@1:154/30.1 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, March 03, 2025 21:01:59
    Yea. If we default on our loans, then it will be smart for us to
    star AT> learning Mandarin. We're incredibly lucky that the American
    people AT> were smart enough to vote against that from happening.


    Ukraine has not defaulted on it's debts. So why do you feel like you own
    part of it?

    Because my money was spent on their defense and they wasted it.


    The USA wastes far more each year on "defense".
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  • From Mike Miller@1:154/30.1 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, March 03, 2025 21:14:15
    I'm pretty sure they'd love to hear they need to pay more than blood to
    be independent from the oppressor as you suggest in other thread. I'm
    sure that would bring more love and understanding to your way of
    "supporting them".

    To me, life is more important than independence from Russia. Even if that means eating peanut butter and bread for the rest of my life, with 2 squares of toilet paper per day, and only 1 TV channel. It's better than death.


    That's exactly what someone would say who has never had to live like that.
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  • From Danny Bee@1:105/420 to Mike Miller on Tuesday, March 04, 2025 00:34:01
    To me, life is more important than independence from Russia. Even if means eating peanut butter and bread for the rest of my life, with 2 squares of toilet paper per day, and only 1 TV channel. It's better t death.


    That's exactly what someone would say who has never had to live like
    that.

    Correct. That feeling may be legitimate at individual level to consider but this is bigger there than just individuals fearing for life.

    At with all respect, you (AT, not MM) already agreed you don't care about these lives.. all you care is that you keep your money, so above just doesn't stick.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Miller on Tuesday, March 04, 2025 07:45:10
    Ask a Ukrainian woman if she's ok with her husband fighting to the de with the Russian army, or ask a mother if she wants her son to do it.

    A cursory search of various news sites across the board seems to indicate strong support.

    You and I can discuss whether or not it's worth it to die for our country's independence, because we have the freedom to choose.

    Ukrainian men don't have that freedom, and they are literally fighting for freedom that doesn't exist, not even if they win the war.

    They have no choice, and they can not sit around and discuss it on the internet. They have to fight because that's what Mr Polo Shirt wants.

    Strange that you aren't advocating for mothers and wives of Russian soldiers. Why aren't you advocating for Russia to stop fighting?

    Putin said he is willing to negotiate an end to the conflict while Zelensky insists on a fight to the death. So Russian women are also suffering due to Zelensky's inaction. I'm grateful for the freedom that we have in the USA, and if Ukrainians want to experience the same kind of freedom, then they need to come here to get it, because Zelensky's not giving it to them.

    Polls are lies that provide the narrative that certain elites want us hear.

    You're brainwashed.

    I believe in polls if I conduct the polls myself. Otherwise... Did you know that there are people in the world who are dishonest?

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Tuesday, March 04, 2025 09:47:00
    I have asked them if we should just lay down if Mexico invades the USA to take their former territory back but only get crickets. <shrugs>

    So I guess they'd be fine with Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, Utah, California, and a good portion of Colorado becoming states of Mexico and taking their economic contributions with them.

    We could fight Mexixo. Mexico isn't Russia aka the world's biggest
    uperpower.

    I thought the USA was the World's biggest superpower? Russia hasn't looked
    too superpowerful against Ukraine.

    And suppose we did have to fight Mexico for our land: Whatever money we need, we'll borrow it from the world bank. The day that America goes around panhandling for money to fight a battle they can't win, is the day that
    meric
    died.

    World Bank? You do realize that America owes a whole bunch of money to individual countries, like Japan, China, Canada, and the UK, right?

    What Trump is trying to do is to broker an unenforceable cease-fire so that
    the US military industrial complex, in turn, can supply a whole bunch of weapons. He is not trying to broker "peace."

    What is much more likely to happen is that the EU and Canada (and maybe China) will fill the void here and the USA will eventually become irrelevant. We might even become piriahs, like Russia, with no allies.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Tuesday, March 04, 2025 09:24:00
    If you want to go back far enough in history, much of European Russia
    as
    part of the Kievian Rus, the first slavic country in Eastern Europe. Formed in 882, the capitol was in Kiev -- in other words, in Ukraine.

    A war against Russia is out of the question. If you can't beat em, join em.

    Using this logic, America should have sided with the Nazis in WWII. The
    Axis pretty much had the war won until Hitler got the crazy notion to open a second front. The war would have probably been over in 1940 if we'd
    followed this logic, giving Hitler plenty of men and resources to start a new war on the Eastern Front.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Powell on Tuesday, March 04, 2025 08:49:42
    We could fight Mexixo. Mexico isn't Russia aka the world's biggest
    uperpower.

    I thought the USA was the World's biggest superpower? Russia hasn't looked too superpowerful against Ukraine.

    It's debatable, but we'd be debating with potentially faulty information that pertains to nukes, manpower, etc.

    And suppose we did have to fight Mexico for our land: Whatever money we we'll borrow it from the world bank. The day that America goes around panhandling for money to fight a battle they can't win, is the day that
    meric
    died.

    World Bank? You do realize that America owes a whole bunch of money to individual countries, like Japan, China, Canada, and the UK, right?

    It's my understanding that the USA has a debt to pay, which means that we are in no position to provide financial assistance to other countries right now. Perhaps they should check back with us after we've paid off our debt.

    What Trump is trying to do is to broker an unenforceable cease-fire so that the US military industrial complex, in turn, can supply a whole
    bunch of weapons. He is not trying to broker "peace."

    It is/was my understanding that Trump wanted to put US mining companies inside Ukraine, which would deter Russia from attacking Ukraine because it would then equate to an attack on Americans.

    What is much more likely to happen is that the EU and Canada (and maybe China) will fill the void here and the USA will eventually become irrelevant. We might even become piriahs, like Russia, with no allies.

    There are a lot of what-if's to be concerned about, but what we've been doing isn't satisfying the American voters and that is why we are now traveling this route.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Powell on Tuesday, March 04, 2025 08:52:56
    A war against Russia is out of the question. If you can't beat em, join

    Using this logic, America should have sided with the Nazis in WWII. The Axis pretty much had the war won until Hitler got the crazy notion to
    open a second front. The war would have probably been over in 1940 if we'd followed this logic, giving Hitler plenty of men and resources to start a new war on the Eastern Front.

    I understand that if Russia isn't stopped, then they might try to take over more and more countries. But if you want that to stop, then you need the USA to fight Russia with it's own hands, and not with money to Ukraine.

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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/1 to Mike Powell on Tuesday, March 04, 2025 07:59:00
    Mike Powell wrote to MIKE MILLER <=-

    So I guess they'd be fine with Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada,
    Utah, California, and a good portion of Colorado becoming states of
    Mexico and taking their economic contributions with them.

    Who would bail out the red states with tax contributions then?



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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/1 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, March 04, 2025 07:59:00
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Mike Miller <=-

    Ask a Ukrainian woman if she's ok with her husband fighting to the
    death with the Russian army, or ask a mother if she wants her son to do it.

    You've never met a Ukrainian.



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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/1 to Danny Bee on Tuesday, March 04, 2025 07:59:00
    Danny Bee wrote to Aaron Thomas <=-

    Who will pay the war costs if the USA goes to war with Russia over
    Alaska? Ukraine?

    I'm pretty sure we're talking about WWIII scenario anyway, with whole
    NATO mobilized if that happened.

    Which, Russia would benefit from the US pulling out of NATO. Seems
    counter-productive to the US to abandon mutual defense treaties, no?

    But the point is not in money, but in principles. Your felon president just disrespects people the way he communicates and this is not
    building any sort of trust toward any sort of partnership with the
    whole country he represents.

    I don't think that trust and partnership are the goals. Isolating the
    US from the world stage appears to be - at least that's what our
    actions are accomplishing.

    That's the issue of Zelenski's meeting in White House last week. His behavior made you guys no different than Russia in his peoples eyes, immediately.

    I died when I heard the mineral rights deal. We've spent most of US
    history promoting democracy and capitalism - even defending it when
    necessary against totalitarian influence.

    To go from defenders of freedom to what we are now? Well, the America I
    grew up revering doesn't seem to exist any more.



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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Kurt Weiske on Tuesday, March 04, 2025 13:37:22
    Ask a Ukrainian woman if she's ok with her husband fighting to the death with the Russian army, or ask a mother if she wants her son to it.

    You've never met a Ukrainian.

    I've met 2, but I never discussed this stuff with them.

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  • From Mike Miller@1:154/30 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, March 04, 2025 14:29:32
    Hello Aaron!

    01 Jun 70 20:39, you wrote to me:

    Ask a Ukrainian woman if she's ok with her husband fighting
    to the de
    with the Russian army, or ask a mother if she wants her son
    to do it.

    A cursory search of various news sites across the board seems to
    indicate strong support.

    You and I can discuss whether or not it's worth it to die for our country's independence, because we have the freedom to choose.

    Ukrainian men don't have that freedom, and they are literally fighting
    for freedom that doesn't exist, not even if they win the war.

    They have no choice, and they can not sit around and discuss it on the internet. They have to fight because that's what Mr Polo Shirt wants.


    both Putin and Zelenskyy have said they're willing to negotiate an end to the war. Putin won't accept a deal unless he gets what he wants (Ukraine). Zelenskyy won't accept a deal unless he gets what he wants (Ukraine).

    The West can't let Putin have some/all of Ukraine, as then he'll be justified in his invasion. We might as well just hand him Georgia, Moldova, Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania while we're at it.


    Strange that you aren't advocating for mothers and wives of
    Russian soldiers. Why aren't you advocating for Russia to stop
    fighting?

    Putin said he is willing to negotiate an end to the conflict while Zelensky insists on a fight to the death. So Russian women are also suffering due to Zelensky's inaction. I'm grateful for the freedom
    that we have in the USA, and if Ukrainians want to experience the same kind of freedom, then they need to come here to get it, because
    Zelensky's not giving it to them.

    Polls are lies that provide the narrative that certain
    elites want us
    hear.

    You're brainwashed.

    I believe in polls if I conduct the polls myself. Otherwise... Did
    you know that there are people in the world who are dishonest?


    Like Putin? Becuase you seem to take everything he says at face value.


    The good news is, major organizations that do these polls publish all their data, including how it was gathered.


    Mike


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Miller on Tuesday, March 04, 2025 21:40:18
    Like Putin? Becuase you seem to take everything he says at face value.


    The good news is, major organizations that do these polls publish all their data, including how it was gathered.

    I've never seen that kind of information before, and I've never been invited to learn about it.

    How was the data gathered? Did they make random phone calls to Ukrainian citizens?

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Wednesday, March 05, 2025 10:20:00
    What Trump is trying to do is to broker an unenforceable cease-fire so that the US military industrial complex, in turn, can supply a whole bunch of weapons. He is not trying to broker "peace."

    It is/was my understanding that Trump wanted to put US mining companies inside >Ukraine, which would deter Russia from attacking Ukraine because it would then >equate to an attack on Americans.

    That could also be true. If that is the case, and it goes through, I
    expect that Elon will be adding a mining company to his empire soon.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Powell on Wednesday, March 05, 2025 09:17:02
    It is/was my understanding that Trump wanted to put US mining companies i >Ukraine, which would deter Russia from attacking Ukraine because it would >equate to an attack on Americans.

    That could also be true. If that is the case, and it goes through, I expect that Elon will be adding a mining company to his empire soon.

    If you have the money to invest in stuff, then you should invest in stuff.

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  • From Danny Bee@1:105/420 to Mike Powell on Wednesday, March 05, 2025 09:54:44
    That could also be true. If that is the case, and it goes through, I expect that Elon will be adding a mining company to his empire soon.

    And he probably thinks it's great opportunity to learn it on a hostile ground before he attacks Mars, full scope ;)

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  • From Danny Bee@1:105/420 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, March 06, 2025 00:49:05

    If you have the money to invest in stuff, then you should invest in
    stuff.

    Right... just mixing business with politics in unregulated way is straight line to corruption. It's OK to keep it corrupted as long as you have tyrants and oligarchs keeping the ruling power... but since Ancient Roman it's known tyrants are eventually stabbed in the back... quite often by friends.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Danny Bee on Thursday, March 06, 2025 08:35:12
    If you have the money to invest in stuff, then you should invest in stuff.

    Right... just mixing business with politics in unregulated way is
    straight line to corruption. It's OK to keep it corrupted as long as you have tyrants and oligarchs keeping the ruling power... but since Ancient Roman it's known tyrants are eventually stabbed in the back... quite
    often by friends.

    The USA is a very corrupt country, but I don't let that bother me until the corruption starts to sting.

    So far, I don't feel the "sting" from any Trump corruption. The media tries to feel it for me, but they can't.

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